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I have failed to learn anything at all in the past few years so it's time to look into alternatives to self teaching. As I look over my gallery I realize that there still  
isn't anything there I'm not completely ashamed of. The work is objectively bad that is all there is to it.

I'm currently searching for a new art community because, I'm not getting anything out of deivantart. Too many people want to just compliment work and some complain when I  
express my opinion on my own work. I really don't want to be around people who like the current work in my gallery.
Deivantart is not geared towards improving or getting critiques. Looking at the critiques section of this site reinforces the idea that I really need to find somewhere else.  
unfortunately I'm having quiet a bit of trouble  with actually finding anywhere that would be willing to actually accept my work but, at the same time would criticize it  
harshly.

conceptart.org would be the place to go except people around my skill level are merely tolerated (at most) and are told to go practice. Unfortunately practicing isn't helping.
Their "Level Up" section doesn't seem like it's worth the money at all. From what I've seen it's just a quick series of instructions with little to no feed back. The actual  
art forum seems like it's mostly dead these days and I really don't think that posting a sketchbook thread would get any attention (again due to my low skill level).

Crimson Daggers looks alright but, they might be a little too afraid to give harsh critiques that I really need. Also not sure how they'd react to the idea that I've been  
through the majority of commonly recommended resources.

Scyra's forums looks far too nice. I'm not seeing too much real critique going on there as much as I am seeing compliments. His "Study Buddies" mentions people teaching each  
other. I have nothing to teach so it would be pointless for me to go there.

Pencil Jacks doesn't look like it would help me. No one there near my skill level at all. It has an inactive challenge forum. Too bad because it says "you will be insulted"  
sounds perfect for me.

I can't think of anywhere else to go at the moment. Any ideas on where people would really dislike the work in my gallery and would help me learn to get and actually learn how to draw?

In real life I live in a fairly large city and there are many, many museums but, none of them contain anything I'm interested in and it seems impossible to find any real  
community for illustrators. All of the classes from the various colleges seem to be the easy A sort and none of the instructors are willing critique work. Where else can i go  
to learn how to draw? So far I've been through pretty much all of the popular books ( fav.me/d4sro5b ) and videos ( fav.me/d6xjcmu ) and yet I have failed to  
learn anything on my own.

I've been looking into online courses and I have found a lot of them but, no real opinions on them. I find testimonials that remind me of the before and after drawings in  the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". Unfortunately my drawings still look like the before side even after having been through the book twice.

www.wattsatelier.com
has online courses but, are they any good? If so are they just there for people who already know how to draw? Even the most basic course looks far too advanced for me and it  
looks like most students are expected to be extremely fast learners. This is just judging from the preview videos. One of the instructors claims that people have taken one 3  
hour class and they've learned more than 4 years at a single university. Somehow I'm suspicious of this.
The instructor in the preview videos recommends "The Art Spirit" no idea how good the book is either.

www.smarterartschool.com/
They claim  "We have just started a BEGINNER BOOT CAMP- that we highly recommend for the true newbie!" but, I have no real way of knowing what the course content is. With that being said I have not a single clue as to how effective these courses are.

"The Art Department" no longer exists as far as classes go. I have no idea if they were effective or not but, it doesn't matter anymore since they are unable (or unwilling) to offer courses.

I'm looking for first hand experiences not blind recommendations. I really need an online art course geared towards someone who can't learn on their own.

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AliceSacco Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2015
A question that is partially related to drawing: How do you think? When you plan to do something, do you prefer to use internal monologues (example 'now I need to go out for a walk') or you prefer to picture yourself going toward the door, then exit from your home like a movie?
Do you imagine when you read? Different natural way of think require different approach on drawing.
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Student Digital Artist
Most of the time when I'm drawing I'll say something like
"This looks wrong but how?"
"Where did I go wrong?"
"How do I fix this?"
"Why does this look so different than the source image"
As for doing things, pretty much the same way; Planning out routes I usually say things in a mechanical manner (Turn left on 11th street, Turn Right onto the Interstate)
Sometimes I imagine what I suppose to do while I'm reading the drawing books but, most of the time I'll simply try to copy the images in them when i'm unable to get a grip on what I'm suppose to do.
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AliceSacco Featured By Owner 6 days ago
Is not exactly what I asked for.
I asked 'do you imagine?'

when you read a book, or an article of a journal, do pictures run in your head like a movie?
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Student Digital Artist
Oh sorry.
Yes they do.
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McsWaQqMuFFinZ Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a simple answer for you.  Stop looking for critiques, courses, and forums.  Those are not going to help you right now.  Until you find a way to make this enjoyable you are not going to improve at all.  You are missing the most important piece to the puzzle, which is the enjoyment.  You're getting psyched out by all these notions of how you should learn to draw.  You keep telling yourself you are terrible.  If you say you're terrible you are going to be terrible.  If you start saying to yourself that you can do it then you will be able to do it.  I don't care if you made an obviously garbage drawing, force yourself to think positively.  Whenever you draw something and it doesn't turn out right, just look at the little things that are good about it.  Here's an example.  Let's say I'm you and I try to do a still life drawing.  Here's how you probably think of it  "Oh look I did it again... I fucked up the entire drawing and it looks like shit.  Oh well I'll just say to myself that I'm terrible and I'll keep trying to get people to insult my work so I can magically gain understanding from the insults".  Here's how you should be thinking of the drawing.  "I feel like I'm getting better already, this is great :D! I'm seeing my mistakes and I'm ready to fix them!  I'm feeling pretty happy that overall I'm able to tell what the object I drew is, that was pretty fun I can't wait to do it again.  You know what, I'm going to draw this again right now so I can improve even more".  You should find things that you enjoy to draw.  Don't draw things just for the sake of drawing something.  To wrap this all up I want you to know that drawing is all in the head, and if you're not feeling motivated to improve than you won't.  Find something that motivates you and makes you want to draw.  You should find out how you can make drawing an obsession rather than a task.  That's the secret that makes people better, they have a drive that motivates them to keep doing what they are doing.  Good luck, and I hope this will change your mindset for the better.
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2015  Student Digital Artist
This does not work for me. I have discovered I cannot have fun with this until I improve. I do not like the results of my work. I really don't want to be around people who like the work I do right now. It's very obnoxious .
I have tried telling myself I was getting better back when I was at the first college I attended. It made things so much worse. I never felt me disappointed in my life. I hated every single thing about my work and still do. The only lesson I learned was that lying would only make things worse for me.
I draw for the sake of getting better and right now that is what motivates me. 
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McsWaQqMuFFinZ Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
When I see your drawings and the way you talk about how terrible they are, it shows you have already given up before you have even started. It's really obvious that you are just torturing yourself through all this self hate of where you are with your current drawing skills. This is the reason why you are not improving. Why not try therapy and meditation? Another big problem here is that you keep making excuses. Valid or not, don't bother with making excuses. You will get no where when you say "I tried that but it didn't work". Why not instead learn to thank the people who you think are so obnoxious for complementing your drawings. Stop and think about how they feel when you tell them they are wrong for complementing your drawings. You should appreciate that people come here to help you and give you compliments despite your negative attitude. Stop making excuses and take action. Learn to forgive yourself. If you make an excuse or you did something wrong just realize what you have done, move on, and try not to do it again. Once you get past the mental barriers and start enjoying what you are doing you will improve.
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RyuKaiser Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2015
Hi, I just read your November 30, 2014 Journal entry.

Have you tried this subscription based online learning resource called New Master's Academy?

www.newmastersacademy.org/home…

You get Instructor Q&A as part of the subscription so you can ask for critiques:

www.newmastersacademy.org/subs…

And the list of instructors are renown artists:

www.newmastersacademy.org/brow…


Might be the learning resource you've been looking for if you're seriously devoting your life to art :)
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2015  Student Digital Artist
looks interesting but, how good are these critiques anyway? I have not been able to locate any reviews for these so I have no idea if their critiques are any good or if they just compliment people. 
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KLoganArt Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
I have a couple of questions about how you draw. Do you use a pencil or a ruler when drawing from life or photos to help measure proportions and angles? Sometimes a clear ruler is a really good way to help figure these out correctly. Perspective isn't my strongest suit, but using a clear ruler or a protractor to help me figure out the angles actually has helped me significantly.

I have a couple of books I would recommend as well, such as:

Perspective Drawing by Kenneth Auvil. (This book helped me quite a bit with certain concepts I wasn't quite understanding.
Drawing From Observation by Brian Curtis. (This one teaches "good drawing habits" to have when drawing from life.
The Complete Guide to Drawing & Illustration by Peter Gray. (This is just a good general guide that lightly touches on everything.)

I am also curious because looking through your gallery, there are really no "finished" pieces, so I have trouble knowing where you are with shading technique and if you have any grasp on color concepts.

Are there any specific ways you want to improve? All I have read from you is about how you hate everything you do, which makes it difficult for people to respond and know exactly what it is you need or want help with.
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