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I have failed to learn anything at all in the past few years so it's time to look into alternatives to self teaching. As I look over my gallery I realize that there still  
isn't anything there I'm not completely ashamed of. The work is objectively bad that is all there is to it.

I'm currently searching for a new art community because, I'm not getting anything out of deivantart. Too many people want to just compliment work and some complain when I  
express my opinion on my own work. I really don't want to be around people who like the current work in my gallery.
Deivantart is not geared towards improving or getting critiques. Looking at the critiques section of this site reinforces the idea that I really need to find somewhere else.  
unfortunately I'm having quiet a bit of trouble  with actually finding anywhere that would be willing to actually accept my work but, at the same time would criticize it  
harshly.

conceptart.org would be the place to go except people around my skill level are merely tolerated (at most) and are told to go practice. Unfortunately practicing isn't helping.
Their "Level Up" section doesn't seem like it's worth the money at all. From what I've seen it's just a quick series of instructions with little to no feed back. The actual  
art forum seems like it's mostly dead these days and I really don't think that posting a sketchbook thread would get any attention (again due to my low skill level).

Crimson Daggers looks alright but, they might be a little too afraid to give harsh critiques that I really need. Also not sure how they'd react to the idea that I've been  
through the majority of commonly recommended resources.

Scyra's forums looks far too nice. I'm not seeing too much real critique going on there as much as I am seeing compliments. His "Study Buddies" mentions people teaching each  
other. I have nothing to teach so it would be pointless for me to go there.

Pencil Jacks doesn't look like it would help me. No one there near my skill level at all. It has an inactive challenge forum. Too bad because it says "you will be insulted"  
sounds perfect for me.

I can't think of anywhere else to go at the moment. Any ideas on where people would really dislike the work in my gallery and would help me learn to get and actually learn how to draw?

In real life I live in a fairly large city and there are many, many museums but, none of them contain anything I'm interested in and it seems impossible to find any real  
community for illustrators. All of the classes from the various colleges seem to be the easy A sort and none of the instructors are willing critique work. Where else can i go  
to learn how to draw? So far I've been through pretty much all of the popular books ( fav.me/d4sro5b ) and videos ( fav.me/d6xjcmu ) and yet I have failed to  
learn anything on my own.

I've been looking into online courses and I have found a lot of them but, no real opinions on them. I find testimonials that remind me of the before and after drawings in  the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". Unfortunately my drawings still look like the before side even after having been through the book twice.

www.wattsatelier.com
has online courses but, are they any good? If so are they just there for people who already know how to draw? Even the most basic course looks far too advanced for me and it  
looks like most students are expected to be extremely fast learners. This is just judging from the preview videos. One of the instructors claims that people have taken one 3  
hour class and they've learned more than 4 years at a single university. Somehow I'm suspicious of this.
The instructor in the preview videos recommends "The Art Spirit" no idea how good the book is either.

www.smarterartschool.com/
They claim  "We have just started a BEGINNER BOOT CAMP- that we highly recommend for the true newbie!" but, I have no real way of knowing what the course content is. With that being said I have not a single clue as to how effective these courses are.

"The Art Department" no longer exists as far as classes go. I have no idea if they were effective or not but, it doesn't matter anymore since they are unable (or unwilling) to offer courses.

I'm looking for first hand experiences not blind recommendations. I really need an online art course geared towards someone who can't learn on their own.

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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
hi... i check up on you every once in a while to see how you're doing.

i remember when you were copying portraits. but i didn't pay attention to your art for a while and now i see that you've tried other things since the portraits. it's good that you are practicing a variety of things and aren't doing portraits anymore but i still see that you rarely attempt to do an actual illustration. (what i mean is, depicting a character or scene, with color)

but, i saw these:

Project 3 - Pyrimid by DelphineApollo Minotaur Maze 1 by DelphineApollo

these look like attempts at illustrations. so that's what i'm talking about. but they aren't finished. also i found this older work:

Project 2 - Mirror FINAL by DelphineApollo

that's an illustration you did finish. you need to do more finished illustrations. you gave up on those other two because they didn't look right to you. that was the wrong choice to make. you should have tried to correct mistakes and finish those works. then you should have done additional illustrations too!!

i don't care that i've already said this to you. i need to tell you again: you're not building up your problem-solving skills. you aren't doing finished illustrations, just practice sketches and things like that. if you start an actual illustration and then give up on it, that's not building up your problem-solving skills. sometimes when i work on an illustration, it doesn't look right to me and i feel upset. but then i force myself to keep working on it and try to fix mistakes. then what usually happens is that the picture does end up looking better. occasionally i throw away the picture if it's not working for me, BUT, then i retry doing it on a new piece of paper!!

i think your problem is that when you are drawing and make a mistake, you take it personally-- you see the mistake as evidence that you are a terrible artist with little hope of improving. but that's not how you're supposed to be seeing mistakes. you're supposed to see them as something that can be solved. in other words: imagine a situation where i took a math test and i failed the test. i could see the failed test as evidence that i am not capable of learning math. or, i could see the failed test as motivation to make me study harder for the next test. those are two different ways of seeing the same event. so, you have to start seeing mistakes in a different way.
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element1988 Featured By Owner 3 days ago
Telling someone who cant even render an egg to try to finish full illustrations is just bad advice. Its like telling a juggler to start practicing with chainsaws before they can even juggle a ball.
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3wyl Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
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element1988 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2015
I've looked through your work. 2 things stick out to me. 1. your don't spend enough time on your work, if a rough sketch doesn't look right lightly erase it and fix it. 2. your not using constructive methods to build your drawings. A strange thing happens when you build something out of basic 3d shapes you understand well, everything sort of lines up and fits together the way it should, it looks correct.

I don't usually go out of my way to help someone out, but I can relate to what your going though. A few questions, do you want to be a professional? and how many hours a day do you practice and how much of that practice is focused study?

If your planning on becoming a professional within the next 5 years the answers should look like this: 12-16 hours a day practice, 4+ hours of that spent studying a day, more if you can handle it but after 4 hours of intense study my brain turns off.

Doing this for real isn't easy, it should be by far the hardest thing you ever do in your life. keep that in mind while your study.
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Thats the thing though, I've been attempting to build things out of 3 dimensional shapes but somehow I end up failing that. I usually try to draw them like wireframes (solid but transparent). I'm just confused about how I'm not getting Loomis's methods. I usually spend around 6 hours per day practicing.
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element1988 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2015
The thing that is probably holding you back, is that you probably read the books and understand the theory but applying that is the hard part. I read tons of books on perspective and understood it all, but I didn't get a real handle on it until I put serous effort into applying all the theory.

A thing to remember is that every fundamental you learn needs to be applied to everything you draw. Every single thing.

The good news is that that since you probably know all the theory you can save a lot of time by just practicing that stuff.

I would suggest you start with basic 3d shapes in correct perspective.

Go here: www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamenta…

Start at lesson 1. Do ALL the homework(this is important), take notes on anything you learn(this is important) and post the results here. I will keep checking up on you to make sure you're doing it correctly. Don't move on until you can do the work to the same quality as the examples.

The most important part of this is trying to understand why you are doing these things, don't just draw boxes and think you know it now, take those boxes and use them to make a character or whatever, the point of this basic stuff is to get your brain working and give you the tools you need to build anything.

lesson 9 teaches you how to build the figure from the basic shapes you have been learning. If you can make it to that and understand it and apply it you will be able to do just about anything.

1 final thing, draw more. If your using this stuff and also drawing a lot, it becomes intuitive and you don't have to work so hard to understand and use it.

You have been at this a long time, so unless you want to still be trying to get better at 40 you need to go all in. Don't allow yourself to slow down, push through the burnout. You have a long way to go and not a whole lot of time to do it. Good luck.
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Thanks. I've started doing the lessons and I'm at drawing ellipses but, I think I need to go back judging by the fact my lines still are looking off. It's going to take a while for me to really get used to some of these. I ended up moving too far too soon.
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micma Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
delphine are you interested in life drawing or illustrative drawing.
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Illustrative drawing. I need to learn the basics first though because at the moment, I am unable to draw what is in front of me.
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JPB-3eye Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
I think i sent you a pm, but im not sure if it went through.

I'm confident I can get you started in a good direction of you're interested. Let me know! :]
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