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I have failed to learn anything at all in the past few years so it's time to look into alternatives to self teaching. As I look over my gallery I realize that there still  
isn't anything there I'm not completely ashamed of. The work is objectively bad that is all there is to it.

I'm currently searching for a new art community because, I'm not getting anything out of deivantart. Too many people want to just compliment work and some complain when I  
express my opinion on my own work. I really don't want to be around people who like the current work in my gallery.
Deivantart is not geared towards improving or getting critiques. Looking at the critiques section of this site reinforces the idea that I really need to find somewhere else.  
unfortunately I'm having quiet a bit of trouble  with actually finding anywhere that would be willing to actually accept my work but, at the same time would criticize it  
harshly.

conceptart.org would be the place to go except people around my skill level are merely tolerated (at most) and are told to go practice. Unfortunately practicing isn't helping.
Their "Level Up" section doesn't seem like it's worth the money at all. From what I've seen it's just a quick series of instructions with little to no feed back. The actual  
art forum seems like it's mostly dead these days and I really don't think that posting a sketchbook thread would get any attention (again due to my low skill level).

Crimson Daggers looks alright but, they might be a little too afraid to give harsh critiques that I really need. Also not sure how they'd react to the idea that I've been  
through the majority of commonly recommended resources.

Scyra's forums looks far too nice. I'm not seeing too much real critique going on there as much as I am seeing compliments. His "Study Buddies" mentions people teaching each  
other. I have nothing to teach so it would be pointless for me to go there.

Pencil Jacks doesn't look like it would help me. No one there near my skill level at all. It has an inactive challenge forum. Too bad because it says "you will be insulted"  
sounds perfect for me.

I can't think of anywhere else to go at the moment. Any ideas on where people would really dislike the work in my gallery and would help me learn to get and actually learn how to draw?

In real life I live in a fairly large city and there are many, many museums but, none of them contain anything I'm interested in and it seems impossible to find any real  
community for illustrators. All of the classes from the various colleges seem to be the easy A sort and none of the instructors are willing critique work. Where else can i go  
to learn how to draw? So far I've been through pretty much all of the popular books ( fav.me/d4sro5b ) and videos ( fav.me/d6xjcmu ) and yet I have failed to  
learn anything on my own.

I've been looking into online courses and I have found a lot of them but, no real opinions on them. I find testimonials that remind me of the before and after drawings in  the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". Unfortunately my drawings still look like the before side even after having been through the book twice.

www.wattsatelier.com
has online courses but, are they any good? If so are they just there for people who already know how to draw? Even the most basic course looks far too advanced for me and it  
looks like most students are expected to be extremely fast learners. This is just judging from the preview videos. One of the instructors claims that people have taken one 3  
hour class and they've learned more than 4 years at a single university. Somehow I'm suspicious of this.
The instructor in the preview videos recommends "The Art Spirit" no idea how good the book is either.

www.smarterartschool.com/
They claim  "We have just started a BEGINNER BOOT CAMP- that we highly recommend for the true newbie!" but, I have no real way of knowing what the course content is. With that being said I have not a single clue as to how effective these courses are.

"The Art Department" no longer exists as far as classes go. I have no idea if they were effective or not but, it doesn't matter anymore since they are unable (or unwilling) to offer courses.

I'm looking for first hand experiences not blind recommendations. I really need an online art course geared towards someone who can't learn on their own.

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HopelessPandora Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2016  Student General Artist
You know, you tell yourself you haven't learned anything, but your drawings aren't bad at all. What kind of look are you trying to achieve that makes you feel so low about your art? You'll probably find more help if you posted drawings you intend as drawings, and not just studies. Negativity, in some cases, is truly stifling for productivity, and by extension, creativity.
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2016  Student Digital Artist
My drawings look awful to me. I don't even want them. Right now I'm just trying to learn the basics as in realism but, I can't even grasp drawing things that are in front of me. I have posted things I have tried to draw...
fav.me/d9jdha2
fav.me/d8gdxgb
fav.me/d8ex4fb
Turned out horribly.
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Neenatrix Featured By Owner Edited Dec 2, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I must say I am really impressed by your determination and your passion for drawing. I believe if one is passionate enough, one will achieve improvement. It's is a slow and frustrating process, though. I believe you can do it, you certainly have the determination and you DO have many decent sketches. Are you taking classes right now?
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2015  Student Digital Artist
No. I have already been through 2 colleges and many other classes outside of that. I have a degree in art. I spent 3 years at a community college and 4 at a state. Neither one did me any good because the drawing classes I took were a joke. The instructors were not interested in drawing at all or knew nothing about it. Any questions I asked were dodged and they simply told me my work was fine no matter how poorly I did.
Outside classes were even worse. classes were about 3 hours with the first hour being taken up by fake critiques; no negativity was allowed, instead the classes was instructed to praise drawings.
At the moment I'm looking into hiring someone to teach me but, most people locally have the same attitude. They're offering themselves for about $20 to $35 an hour. I would rather hire a professional though as most of  those people are amateurs. I've been told I'm looking at $50 to $80 an hour for that.
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jeansajacalixto Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
wonderful your arts!!!
 
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DangoMango Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2015  Professional General Artist
Cheers for the fave! ^^
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ItsCriticTime Featured By Owner Edited Sep 13, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
This is what happen when you don't draw from life.

You can't really observe the shape, form and texture of the object you're drawing. I understand it's a very tedious process, but life drawing is something that will unlock some of the perks you're not aware of. Just how many hours you spend per week when drawing from life?
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ItsCriticTime Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
"You *don't* really observe the shape, form and texture of the object you're drawing"

Fixed.
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I spend probably 3 to 6 hours total per week drawing from life. When I was in college I did a lot more including models but, I never learned anything from it. Most of my time is spent attempt tutorials or drawing from books these days. I tried drawing from photographs but, that didn't help either. Is there some sort of prerequisite to drawing from life? I feel like I have missed something there. 
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ItsCriticTime Featured By Owner Edited Sep 14, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
3-6 hours per week, there lies your problem. You're missing a LOT of stuff with that amount of time you spend.

Assuming you're doing 6 hours per week, that'd be a total of less than an hour per day. No offense but even people at conceptart.org will laugh at that without remorse and they'll tell you the same thing. To build a formidable skill, you need to practice for 20 hours per week minimum, 40 hours per week if you plan to be a pro. You will discover a LOT of things on your own if you practice a lot. Just DON'T forget to observe the object or figure while drawing.
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