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I have failed to learn anything at all in the past few years so it's time to look into alternatives to self teaching. As I look over my gallery I realize that there still  
isn't anything there I'm not completely ashamed of. The work is objectively bad that is all there is to it.

I'm currently searching for a new art community because, I'm not getting anything out of deivantart. Too many people want to just compliment work and some complain when I  
express my opinion on my own work. I really don't want to be around people who like the current work in my gallery.
Deivantart is not geared towards improving or getting critiques. Looking at the critiques section of this site reinforces the idea that I really need to find somewhere else.  
unfortunately I'm having quiet a bit of trouble  with actually finding anywhere that would be willing to actually accept my work but, at the same time would criticize it  
harshly.

conceptart.org would be the place to go except people around my skill level are merely tolerated (at most) and are told to go practice. Unfortunately practicing isn't helping.
Their "Level Up" section doesn't seem like it's worth the money at all. From what I've seen it's just a quick series of instructions with little to no feed back. The actual  
art forum seems like it's mostly dead these days and I really don't think that posting a sketchbook thread would get any attention (again due to my low skill level).

Crimson Daggers looks alright but, they might be a little too afraid to give harsh critiques that I really need. Also not sure how they'd react to the idea that I've been  
through the majority of commonly recommended resources.

Scyra's forums looks far too nice. I'm not seeing too much real critique going on there as much as I am seeing compliments. His "Study Buddies" mentions people teaching each  
other. I have nothing to teach so it would be pointless for me to go there.

Pencil Jacks doesn't look like it would help me. No one there near my skill level at all. It has an inactive challenge forum. Too bad because it says "you will be insulted"  
sounds perfect for me.

I can't think of anywhere else to go at the moment. Any ideas on where people would really dislike the work in my gallery and would help me learn to get and actually learn how to draw?

In real life I live in a fairly large city and there are many, many museums but, none of them contain anything I'm interested in and it seems impossible to find any real  
community for illustrators. All of the classes from the various colleges seem to be the easy A sort and none of the instructors are willing critique work. Where else can i go  
to learn how to draw? So far I've been through pretty much all of the popular books ( fav.me/d4sro5b ) and videos ( fav.me/d6xjcmu ) and yet I have failed to  
learn anything on my own.

I've been looking into online courses and I have found a lot of them but, no real opinions on them. I find testimonials that remind me of the before and after drawings in  the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". Unfortunately my drawings still look like the before side even after having been through the book twice.

www.wattsatelier.com
has online courses but, are they any good? If so are they just there for people who already know how to draw? Even the most basic course looks far too advanced for me and it  
looks like most students are expected to be extremely fast learners. This is just judging from the preview videos. One of the instructors claims that people have taken one 3  
hour class and they've learned more than 4 years at a single university. Somehow I'm suspicious of this.
The instructor in the preview videos recommends "The Art Spirit" no idea how good the book is either.

www.smarterartschool.com/
They claim  "We have just started a BEGINNER BOOT CAMP- that we highly recommend for the true newbie!" but, I have no real way of knowing what the course content is. With that being said I have not a single clue as to how effective these courses are.

"The Art Department" no longer exists as far as classes go. I have no idea if they were effective or not but, it doesn't matter anymore since they are unable (or unwilling) to offer courses.

I'm looking for first hand experiences not blind recommendations. I really need an online art course geared towards someone who can't learn on their own.

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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i am looking at your page and art again and since i've talked to you and looked at your art multiple times before, i have decided to watch you! normally i don't watch strictly realism artists like you but i just want to see what you'll do next so i might as well watch you. i'll try to help you! i don't like to see other artists suffer =( and i am genuinely interested to see what you'll do next.

i'll comment on a couple of your drawings too but first i have to give a general comment.

i've told you before, you don't seem to have a clear vision as to what you want to do with your art and what kind of art you want to do. well, now i see that it seems you want to stay as a realism artist. so i guess you want to do things like technical drawings, diagrams, things like that? like, you know how medical books, instruction manuals, and other types of books have to have very realistic, clear, accurate drawings? that could be what you do. that looks like the path you're on. or maybe you have a different goal. i'm not sure so sorry if i got your goal wrong. but you do need a goal to head toward. that is very, very important.

secondly, as far as practice drawings go, maybe something you can do is redo some of your practices. look at critiques you've gotten on a specific drawing. then, redo that drawing. you can redo something you did two weeks ago, or two months ago, or even years ago! even if you've done this kind of thing before, there's no reason not to do it again,

thirdly, i said "as far as practice drawings go" because... i think you need to do more than practice drawings. that's what i said before but i still feel that way now. i don't see much completed work in your gallery. i mean like a work that has full details and shading and maybe even a background. i also think you should try color but if you really don't like to use color than fine, just do some grayscale works instead. for a "finished picture" i think you should at first copy other pics but soon, quickly move on to doing your own original idea. but you can be original and still be realistic. what you can do is maybe look at a photo and change something in the photo i guess... so that it's kinda your original idea but kinda a copy. but then move on and do some original (but still realistic) works.

fourthly the reason you always feel unsatisfied is that you tell people not to compliment you. so they can't tell you what you are doing right?! i think that critiques should cover right and wrong, not just wrong. if you know what you're doing right, then you know your own strengths. then you can focus on your weaknesses only. plus you'll feel better about yourself. so i think you should stop asking for "extremely harsh" crits and don't say "compliments are unwelcome." i know a compliment like "great work" won't help you much, i mean like "the anatomy in the legs is very accurate, but you should improve on arms" or something. so you know your strength is legs and weakness is arms. (that's just an example, i made it up)

the main point of my comment is, you say you aren't improving but you are improving. you do have some skill, it's just that you never really apply your skill to a finished piece. everything in your gallery is a sketch or a non-detailed work. i don't see actual finished, complete things.

what i've figured out for you is that you have a comfort zone that you are not breaking out of. i'd say a good artist attempts to do things that are outside their comfort zone, which means doing things above what they feel like their skill level is. those attempts may not go well at first but eventually, things will get better. so yeah i think that sketches and non-detailed works and copied works are your comfort zone because you keep doing lots and lots and lots of those but little to no finished works. so clearly, you have a strong work ethic and are putting time and effort into drawing. in fact, you have a better work ethic than i have! but you have to be spending that time on the right things. you're putting that time into incomplete works but you should also devote some time to complete works.
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Sadly it looks like I'm going to suffer for a while longer as I still hate my artwork. It looks objectively horrible to me and I still want nothing to do with it.
Well, my current goal is to understand the basics. It has been for quiet some time. I don't know what else to set as a goal at the moment since getting basic things down like proportion,anatomy, perspective or even being able to draw simple objects that are in front of me. I don't really know how to have more of a direction than this at the moment, especially when my "progress" (if it can even be called that) is so meager.
I'd like to know how I'm suppose to do something more than practice when I seem to be missing the lessons I'm suppose to learn when I attempt it.
My ability to draw seems really random. Sometimes I can put in 40 hours and get something that looks like I took less than 2 hours to do. No idea on how to fix that.
I wish I could say I had a comfort zone but, at the moment it doesn't look like I do. I suppose trying color is next but, my previous results with that have been worse than without it. Eventually after reaching a certain point in drawing and not progressing I need to move on. Even if I take long breaks on a work I still find myself unable to move forward with it. 
I have tired not asking for harsh critique but, every time I stop asking I end up with unwanted comments that are just more mindless praise.
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Zicarus Featured By Owner Edited Dec 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Unfortunately the skills do come with practice and then there are some that are naturally gifted.
I have an Intuos 4 and i really like it nibs wear a bit quick but what can you do but have plans on getting a cintiq , some things that may help that helped me. 
I draw with my tablet up on an angle id say about 60 deg, i cannot for the life of me draw with it flat on my desk.
I would say stick with one subject and master it for you it looks like anatomy.
Know what you want out of drawing where do you want it to take you or is it a hobby.
Sometimes i use pen and paper i still like the traditional methods, then just scan them in.
Draw from the shoulder stay loose your hand and or fingers should never get sore.
Remember most of all art is meant to be fun enjoy doing it, sometimes ive gotten a block and walked away for days even a week then came back with a clear head. Although i don't have a lot of art up on DA one main reason is most of the time i forget and my sketch goes into a folder but im going to try and add more.
Also i know you want ppl to be honest and tough and its hard to get as most don't want to come off sounding like an ass, but in the same hand if there is something wrong with your work and all you get is wow well done, good job, how are you expected to improve, just ask ppl to be upfront there is never anything wrong with constructive criticism, never give up keep working at it you owe your self that much:)
www.proko.com/how-to-draw-vide…  may help you some its free and good vids there.
Best of luck and cant wait to see what progress you make. :)
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Student Digital Artist
Oh, I've been trying to learn for over 8 years now and I have made very little progress.
I don't know how to have fun with these things. It feels like i have no control over the outcome
Yes, i have seen Proko and a lot of other videos: fav.me/d6xjcmu I did not find his videos to be helpful
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Eozspike Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for the fav!
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ThePianistDragon Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you +fav I am a dummy! 
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TheOtherKilroy Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I saw this and I thought of you. :)

fav.me/d7yvuj9

I adore your thumbnails. May I use them for practice?
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DelphineApollo Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Go ahead. 
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TheOtherKilroy Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yay! Thank you! Love 
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Squabbit Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2014  Student General Artist
Thank you so much for the fav!
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