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Looking back at my work I notice I'm still making the same exact mistakes that I have since the beginning. I'm still having trouble drawing things that are in front of me and I still can't get proportions right. I can't help wonder why practice isn't helping me develop. Everyone else tells me it should but, no matter how much I try I still can't get any closer to drawing things the way I intend to. The strange thing is most people assume I want to draw this way and I can't understand why. Every single one of my horrible failures looks objectively awful. I have never liked any of my own work and it is the reason why I have no self respect or self worth.

It doesn't seem to matter how many websites I go to or how many youtube videos ( fav.me/d6xjcmu ) I see, or even how many books ( fav.me/d4sro5b ) I read I can't seem to do any better. I just wish i could somehow get into an art school. That seems like the only way to learn how to draw. 

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DavidCoates Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey, you show a genuine interest in improving. A friend found this video on youtube of very detailed intructions froma professional teacher.  I thought you could greatly benefit from it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkRwR…
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DelphineApollo Mar 18, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I've already been through Betty Edward's book. I never found it to be helpful.
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cheeny Feb 11, 2014  Student General Artist
Hey remember me? I critiqued your work on the forums, I hope you are trying out what I mentioned. Im messaging you because Im thinking of uploading some of my process so I can demonstrate some of the stuff Ive run into alot in the thread. If you are interested please drop me a comment with what youd like to see.

I plan on doing something on composition, planar analysis, pre sketching, using references, and inking. I wont go into coloring since Im doing it in watercolor and thats a WHOLE nother operation in itself.

if you are interested lemme know what part you are most interested in seeing here (i want to be able to see all the responses and get a good feeling for what to touch on)
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DelphineApollo Feb 13, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yeah, I remember. I read Art and Fear. I couldn't really gain anything out of it though. It felt alien to me and I wasn't really moved by it sadly.
As for the drawing, I'm having a tough time with charcoal. I've used it before in class but, I always got rid of it immediately afterwards. The material doesn't seem to do what I want it to and I spend most of my time erasing and redrawing the subject. So I'm getting stuck easily.
Unfortunately I need to stick to a small page size for things I scan in. my scanner is kind of small and I don't have any other way of getting a good image of the drawing.
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Sachi-pon Feb 1, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
hi, i've seen you before and i remember from whenever i saw you last that you were looking for help on your artwork. so i see that you are still looking for help, so i will try to give you some tips.

looking at your gallery, i know that you are hard-working and love to practice! that is great. and you do have some skill that you've built up from the practice. i just don't see that you're actually applying that skill though. it looks like all you do is copy? try some original work that is not copying. when an artist copies a photo or artwork, their copy is not going to look exactly like the original and then they will frustrate themselves. so i think that's what's happening to you. copying is good practice. gesture drawings and still life studies are all good practice. but it looks like all you do is practice and never do anything more. in other words, imagine a sports team doing training drills over and over, but never playing a real game against an opponent. that's what you do! the problem with that is that a team like that is not getting the experience of playing a game. and each game is a learning experience!

so yeah. try some original work. try drawing some characters in interesting poses on top of a detailed background. doing complicated pictures like that is tricky at first but you'll get used to it. also... what about color? i saw some grayscale works in your gallery that have lighting and shading. doing grayscale works that have lighting and shading is good for learning about value. so it's good that you know about value... but there's "hue" and "saturation" that you need to learn about as well. once you learn that, you can combine that with you knowledge of value and make very interesting colored works! you can do traditional coloring or digital coloring, whichever one you are most comfortable with. or switch back and forth between both, if you want.

remember, you are just like a sports team that only does drills and never plays a game. so that needs to change! also, i'm not trying to insult you by saying this, i'm just trying to give an honest opinion: i think that a major reason why drawing is so upsetting for you is that everything you draw is completely boring. you never do anything interesting, that's why drawing is a stressful experience for you. i don't know what you'll think of my comments but i just felt the need to say all this because your problems seemed obvious to me. if i have misjudged you in any way though, sorry!! =(
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DelphineApollo Feb 4, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Thanks but, It's difficult for me to progress right now.
At the moment I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the very basics. The reason why I'm upset is because I fail to complete simple tasks such as following exercises in books or videos. I don't seem to be learning from them. So far I've been unable to reach my goals since they have a long line of prerequisites. I really want to mimic other people's styles instead of developing my own but, in order to do that I must understand several other things such as anatomy which requires that I have the ability to render basic 3 dimensional objects which itself requires that I understand  perspective (multiple times, 1,2,3 and 0 point.)
Learning things beyond line work such as color requires that I understand light and shading, which would possible tie into perspective.
Somehow I think about it like this. How does one learn calculus without knowing multiplication and division? Furthermore when some one struggles with basic addition and subtraction how do they simply jump up that high?
I'm sad because I can't even depict the objects that are in front of me with any accuracy. If I can't draw the things that I see in front of me how do I draw the things in my mind? 
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Sachi-pon Feb 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
(loooong comment sorry)

i am about to say something controversial, which is... you don't necessarily have to learn prerequisites in order to do art. i've said that before and people have disliked my opinion but, i still think i'm right. XD so by "prerequisites" we are both talking about these copying/practice things that you are doing. those aren't bad. i'm not saying to stop doing those. do them if you really want to. i am saying that you don't have to do those before you move on to other things. you could move on to stylistic art and complicated works and all that, even if you haven't "learned the basics." because when you move on and do those other complicated things, yes you may make big mistakes. but it's better than not trying at all. and if you try those more difficult things and you make mistakes, you can post your work on da and people can critique it.

HOWEVER i do think you actually have "learned the basics" somewhat. like i said, i know you can't perfectly copy what's in front of you. but that's okay. you do get some things right, it's not like you are way off. you don't have to learn to perfectly copy those things before you move on to other things. i think you don't realize the skill you have because you do not attempt those other things.

in other words, you don't have to learn things in a certain order. (like, first master this, then learn this, then learn that.) you can attempt anything you want at any time...!!

i hate to say it but so many people on da stress "learn realism first before you do anything else" and "learn the basics before you stylize" and i can't stand when people say that. i have often tried to argue against people who say this. so you are a good example that proves my point that i was trying to say to those people. you are too stressed out about learning gestures and still lifes and it's making you feel stuck because you don't have it perfect. when i started drawing, i wasn't even on da. i was 11 and didn't know about people's advice on da, and i didn't have books and videos. i just drew anime characters because i thought they looked cool. if someone had told me "you must learn realism first and not draw stylized stuff yet, or you'll never be a good artist," i would have turned into what you are. i would be bored and frustrated and probably would have given up on art. i have done realism (like, the things in your gallery) before and i should probably do more. but i'm saying, i'm glad that i wasn't pressured to do ONLY that, at the beginning of my art journey.

so yeah that's my little speech. but there's another thing i have to say, which is, i know you want to imitate other people's styles. i remember you saying that a while back, whenever i first saw you before. and i don't know why i didn't think to tell you this but... obviously imitating people's styles is not creative but there's another problem: you don't have any particular aim in art. again, i am not trying to insult you but i need to tell you the truth which is, i can tell that you are wandering around aimlessly. you have no idea what you're doing. you are completely clueless. you need to decide on a direction you want to go in. (in other words, style) you can change this direction later, or add new styles once you get used to one style. but for now, i'd say just pick one? i don't mean imitating another artist, either. choose a few artists that have a similar style, because that's better than choosing just one artist. choose a few artists and mix their styles up in your head and on the paper. yes, that sounds difficult. style is difficult. unfortunately too many people on da think that style is something easy and anyone can do it with no skill. they think that once you learn realism, you can suddenly stylize anything. and they think that if someone isn't good with realism, and simply has their own style, that person is unskilled. they think realism is the only way to measure skill and style means nothing. i hate that way of thinking. style is so tricky. it can only be developed through lots of experimentation. trial and error. don't be afraid to experiment!

but yeah you seem to be completely aimless. you want to be this versatile artist who can imitate anyone with ease? no, that's not going to work. narrow down what you want. aim for something. have some clear pictures in your head of your favorite da artists. there are so many great artists here so look around, there is a lot of inspiration. example, one artist whom i really love is namie-kun.deviantart.com/galle… because i love the bright and shiny colors in her work. and i've seen other artists with bright, shiny bold colors but there's something about the way she does it that stands out to me. though, i'm not trying to make my art look just like hers because there are many other artists i love too. and then, i have my own personal preferences on how i want my art to look, that i did not get from any other artist.

i'd say pick 4-5 of your very favorite artists and study their art closely and think about what in particular makes their art look so good. (so, namie would be on my list of 4-5 artists!) so pick an artistic direction you want to go in and work toward that. if you don't, what happens is you try to learn how to do everything. and you put too much pressure on yourself to do everything.

this isn't some kind of cliche motivational statement, it's practical: what made you want to learn to be an artist in the first place? what was it that inspired you? for me, it was shojo manga/anime. you have to think about why you are doing art in the first place. don't have this broad goal of "i just want to learn realism really well and also be able to imitate lots of styles" that is too much.

one last thing: i know you have read many books and watched many videos. but there are other ways to learn art besides those things. if you feel like the books and videos aren't working for you, you can ignore them, or at least view fewer of them...!!

sorry if i didn't explain well... eheh
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DelphineApollo Feb 13, 2014  Student Digital Artist
The reason why I'm drawing these things over and over again is because I've read on many sites (conceptart.org is one of them) that you need to know realism before moving on or at least have a solid grip on a bunch of other concepts. Anytime spent towards stylizing anything would just be wasted because i could have spent that time actually working on things that would lead me towards my goal.
I tried drawing the things I wanted but failed miserably and it really was pretty painful watching everything I want fall apart and turn into something I hate. Poor results suck any and all fun out of it for me. Doing looking terrible work is soul crashing.

I wanted to do this because I always liked cartoons (both western and anime). However I would always judge them on their style and if it wasn't a style I liked, I couldn't watch it. The same thing happened for video games. Even during the NES era if I couldn't tell what things were it was impossible to play the games. If the graphical styles look ugly I wouldn't want to even try them. I suppose this is why I could never get into earl PC or Atari games. 
I've also looked at a few romhacks and I've seen what happens when people try to insert their own work into the game (or artwork from other games) it looks ugly and out of place. If they had some ability to actually draw (or in most cases do pixel artwork) it might actually look good.

I'd rather just able point at someone else's style and be able to mimic that rather than trying coming up with my own. I don't really see a need to do that. There are enough styles I like as they are, they don't really need modification.

My apologies if I'm misinterpreting you.


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SiLeNt-NoObEr Jan 9, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Hey, thanks for the fav bud :) 
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LAP-Illustrations Jan 3, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Thanks for the fave!
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